Deterministic Governance: mechanical exclusion / bit-identical

Zero‑randomness rule machine drops; commenters split between “audit win” and “AI slop”

TLDR: A new rules engine promises identical decisions every run, ditching randomness for strict, replayable logic. Commenters are split between excitement for transparent, auditable choices and sharp skepticism—calling it jargon-heavy “AI slop” and demanding real examples to prove it’s more than buzzwords.

A project promising bit‑for‑bit identical outcomes just crash‑landed into the internet’s comment section, and wow, the vibes are chaotic. The idea: a “mechanical” rules engine that always makes the same decision when fed the same info—no luck, no dice rolls, no black‑box AI. It models choices like a stress test: candidates “fracture” past a threshold and are kicked out for good. Simple… or spooky?

Cue the chorus. One bewildered reader begged, “What field is this even from?” while a heavyweight skeptic slammed the launch as “AI slop” and demanded plain‑English examples, tests, and proof it’s not nonsense—complete with a pointed link to a past flame‑out. Meanwhile, a quieter camp cheered the promise of replayable, auditable decisions—no secret randomness, no shrugging.

The drama is delicious. Some mocked the lab‑coat lingo—“nucleation,” “quenching,” “crystallization”—calling it metallurgy cosplay. Others cracked jokes about “fracturing” their coffee mugs. But underneath the memes sits a sharp split: defenders see a future for transparent moderation or policy tools, critics say deterministic rules just move bias upstream and mask it with math. One thing’s clear: when the code says the same thing every time, the arguments only get louder.

Key Points

  • The engine enforces bit-identical outputs given identical inputs, configuration, and runtime substrate.
  • Exclusion decisions are based on a hard threshold where accumulated stress exceeds yield strength; once excluded, re-entry is impossible.
  • Stress accumulates deterministically via explicit functions and a fixed pressure schedule with nucleation, quenching, and crystallization phases.
  • Yield strength is derived deterministically using the BLAKE2b hash; no language-dependent or salted hashes are used.
  • Determinism is ensured through canonicalization, deterministic serialization, stable hashing, explicit configuration capture, and a replay mode that outputs identical SHA-256 results.

Hottest takes

"I don't even understand what discipline we're talking about here" — foobarbecue
"OK, this is AI slop ('fracture' alone gives it away)" — gwern
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