Humans 40k yrs ago developed a system of conventional signs

Did Ice Age humans invent proto-signs? Comment section explodes

TLDR: A new study says Ice Age humans carved systematic sign sequences with complexity like early proto-writing, especially on figurines. The comments erupt into skeptics citing 12,500-year timelines, accusations of astroturfing, and meme-laced confusion over whether these are organized records or just fancy scratches.

Archaeologists say 40,000-year-old Ice Age hunters weren’t just doodling — they carved repeatable geometric sign sequences on tools and ivory figurines, deliberately packing more information into figurines. The team says the patterns aren’t true writing but have complexity like very early clay-tablet bookkeeping (protocuneiform). Translation: very old people had very organized marks.

Cue comment chaos. One-liners like “Clanker.” fired first, and then the skeptics marched in. User mikert89 fumed that mainstream takes are “wildly off.” SetTheorist dropped a BBC link arguing 12,500 years is a saner date, igniting a timeline tug-of-war. Others joked the paper was Ice Age Excel, with figurines as ancient spreadsheets. Meanwhile, the study’s claim that signs were used deliberately and conventionally became a battleground: believers say it’s evidence of serious info-sharing; skeptics say we’re reading way too much into scratches.

Then came the paranoia: baxtr accused “new accounts” of pushing a narrative, and mcswell waved Poe’s Law (it’s hard to tell sincere beliefs from satire online), asking if some hot takes were just trolling. The vibe: half museum, half meme war. One side sees hunter‑gatherers doing early data management; the other sees modern bias projecting writing into random lines. Either way, those marks carved up the comments more than the ivory.

Key Points

  • Analyzed more than 200 Aurignacian mobile artifacts dated 43,000–34,000 years ago with thousands of engraved geometric signs.
  • Quantitative analysis used classification algorithms and statistical models to evaluate sign sequences.
  • Paleolithic sign sequences are statistically distinct from modern writing systems.
  • The sequences’ statistical properties are comparable to those on the earliest protocuneiform tablets.
  • Signs were applied to achieve higher information density on ivory figurines than on tools, indicating deliberate, conventional use long before true writing.

Hottest takes

"Clanker." — buildsjets
"12,500 years ago seems to be a more sensible and evidence-based estimate" — SetTheorist
"Created two new accounts to push your narrative?" — baxtr
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